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Jochen Wirtz has dedicated his career to services marketing research, teaching, executive development and consulting. In this interview, he talks about Christopher Lovelock, one of the pioneers of services marketing, the role of culture in service delivery, and best practices in services.  

Jochen Wirtz

Jochen Wirtz is Associate Professor of Marketing with the National University of Singapore, founding Director of the UCLA - NUS Executive MBA Program, and Associate Fellow in Executive Education at the Saïd Business School, University of Oxford. He specializes in Services Marketing, and his books include Services Marketing - People, Technology, Strategy (Prentice Hall, 7th edition, 2010), Essentials of Services Marketing (Prentice Hall, 2009), and Flying High in a Competitive Industry: Secrets of the World's Leading Airline (McGraw Hill, 2009). The full article relating to this contribution plus free book chapters on Managing People for Service Advantage and Managing Customer Loyalty can be downloaded from www.JochenWirtz.com.


  • The late Professor Christopher Lovelock, the pioneer of Service Marketing at Harvard Business School, is your close friend. You have co-authored several textbooks with him. What is the Essence of Services Marketing according to him?

To Christopher, the essence of services marketing is, how do you market something that does not involve a transfer of ownership? When you buy a service, like a resort holiday, getting a consultation from a doctor or studying for your MBA, you rarely acquire ownership of tangible goods, and that makes communicating, delivering the value proposition difficult. Also, there's co-production with customers (i.e., the customer is in the service factory) and distributed operations (e.g., even McDonald's outlet is a mini factory). A lot of marketing and management issues - such as service quality assurance, managing frontline employees, engineering service environments, designing customer service processes, and revenue management - are a consequence of these features of services. And Christopher dedicated his career to researching, thinking and experimenting on how to manage and market service organizations effectively.

Christopher was one of the thought leaders and pioneers in the field, and besides writing many award-winning academic articles and developing concepts, tools and models for various aspects of services marketing and management, he also wrote the world's first services marketing text book when he was on the Harvard Business School faculty. The book, Services Marketing: People, Technology, Strategy (Prentice Hall, 2007) is now in its 7th edition! I have been privileged to work with Christopher from the 5th edition onwards, and plan to continue developing this book - we just started thinking about a few major changes planned for the 8th edition.

  • How do you see his concepts and value add to them?

It is not one concept that impressed me most, but rather his approach, clarity in thinking and creativity. He never accepted conventional wisdom at face value, but dug deeper and deeper to get to the ground of issues, and in this way, he often uncovered exciting new insights and developed new models. I constantly learned from him as we worked very interactively. We jointly wrote book chapters and conference papers, and I was always amazed at his clarity of seeing new angles in what services marketing is all about. He himself never stopped being curious, inquisitive and he learned non-stop - he remained young at heart his entire life! Being a German, my value add was often enhancing the structure, organization and bringing a sharper focus to our work, plus being in Asia, I added a lot of insights, examples and cases from Asia to our global text books.

  • Services are culturally oriented. Do you agree with this statement? And why? How do you compare and contrast between Service in the West and East?

Of course, culture is a crucial element in service firms, as services are all about people, team work, communications, perceptions, attributions and decision making, and culture plays an intricate role in all these processes.

There is the country culture as well as a corporate culture - for example, what is the McDonalds or the Hilton culture in India versus the US - there will be many similarities as both McDonalds and Hilton are working hard to ensure that customers around the world experience a consistent service experience that is core to their value proposition.

Countries also differ vastly - service in the US (with its tipping culture) is vastly different to the more matter-of-fact but efficient service in Germany and the warm service in Italy. India of course has personable, friendly and hospitable people, and that shines through in its service delivery. Having said this, many organizations are rather bureaucratic and have so many rules and cumbersome processes that the frontline simply cannot deliver great service although they'd love to - so, they make up with a smile and by being friendly. But the best service organizations in India are fantastic. I am so impressed by the service level provided by firms such as the Oberoi Hotels & Resorts or Tata Consultancy Services - their customer service processes are the best in class, benchmarked against world-class service organizations.

In short, of course, the culture of a country matters, but more importantly is, how does a service firm interweave its own culture into the country's culture to deliver its service performance as was designed and desired by its target segments.

  • Many people admire Singapore Airlines Service (SIA) as one of the best airlines in the world. You co-authored a special book and a Harvard Business Review article on SIA. What is the "secret formula" behind their customer service that many people don't know?

They manage to deliver on paradoxes! They are a quality leader on the one hand, but at the same time highly cost-effective - their cost per seat-mile is at the level of a budget carrier! This is what my co-author Loizos Heracleous and I termed "cost-effective service excellence". They deliver on other paradoxes, specifically, they are able to innovate simultaneously in a centralized and de-centralized manner, to be both a follower and a leader, and finally to achieve both standardization as well as personalization. We don't have the space here to discuss how SIA delivers these factors, but readers can download a free chapter of our book, Flying High in a Competitive Industry: Secrets of the World's Leading Airline (McGraw Hill, 2009) from my website at JochenWirtz.com.

  • You live in Singapore. Singaporeans are not known to be overtly friendly by nature. Why are they nevertheless so successful in many different service industries, including private banking and wealth management, education?

Actually, coming from Germany and having lived in London for many years, I find Singaporeans very friendly and welcoming. But you may be right that the warmth towards strangers (and perhaps non-regular customers) cannot match Thailand's or Indonesia's. My personal observation is that Singapore's public sector and many of the successful sector service firms are incredibly well organized, well planned, with clear strategic intents, excellent implementation and are mostly well capitalized.

Also, Singapore in general is not afraid of trying new technologies, software and systems, and therefore is able to execute service processes well and efficiently. See the Singapore Airlines example from the above said book, or Changi Airport, PSA, Capital Land, and even the Inland Revenue Authority with its e-filing, simple interface and tax-payer friendly rules and processes, which almost make it a pleasure to file income tax. Also, I was most impressed with how Singapore managed to design, launch and implement its electronic road pricing system. In spite of all the technological challenges, the system is operating in a highly integrated, efficient and largely failure-free manner - it is a powerful tool to effectively manage road congestion during peak hours. I don't think many cities could have done a better job than Singapore at this!

  • Many people asked me whether they should reduce service quality to cut costs during times of crisis. What is your take on this?

I am not sure why one would do that - Service firms tend to have high fixed and low variable costs. Once a hotel, a cinema, a cruise ship, a server farm or a testing lab has been built, the bulk of the costs (often 80% and more) have been incurred and are sunk. It is very difficult to cut depreciation, interest charges, and maintenance costs that continue to be incurred independent of whether a firm utilizes the capacity or not. All savings from cutting service quality tend to be marginal.

In fact, when capacity utilization is low, service employees can go all the way to truly wow their customers. A firm that wants to build customer loyalty and market share should use the slack in operations to focus on outstanding customer service. This can include low or no waiting times, allocation of preferred seating, providing extra attention and consultation, and the like.

The reward is a combination of higher average prices and/or higher capacity utilization. Think about it, who has to cut prices lower in times of a crisis - the firm with the high quality image or the one with low quality?

Having said this, a crisis is always a great opportunity to cut non-value adding costs, processes, and activities to the bone, let go of underperforming staff, cut non-strategic and unprofitable customers, segments, branches, products - now is the time to focus, to truly drive the long-term strategy.

Finally, if a firm is in the great situation of having cash, use this opportunity to get the high quality people, shop locations, software, renovation, etc., - all these can be acquired at much lower cost than during boom times. The opportunity costs of renovation, training, etc., are low when business is down, and the firms that invest now will reap the rewards first at the upturn. Now is the time to retool, renovate, retrain, etc., not when firms get busy again. Singapore Airlines has been exceptionally successful at doing all these during the many crises that South-East Asia has had to go through over the past 14 years.

  • What are your top three service organizations in the world and why?

I would prefer to select from companies that I have worked with and understand. I am most impressed by Singapore Airlines as discussed in our book, then Banyan Tree for having been a serial innovator in a saturated market and growing rapidly, although there has been one crisis after another since their inception shortly before the Asian Economic Crisis in 1997/98, and all this while showing high levels of corporate responsibility even before it has become mainstream (see www.jochenwirtz.com for a free copy of a case study on Banyan Tree)! Finally, Raffles Hotels & Resorts, who although are a small chain, have won so many awards and continue to deliver service "like a gentle breeze" around the world.

  • Finally, as the founding Director of the UCLA - NUS Executive MBA Program, what are you most proud of about this program?

I believe the program has an innovative structure with a unique positioning and value proposition - what else do you expect from a marketing professor who launches a program! It is a global program which through its one-of-a-kind format allows senior executives from anywhere in the world to participate in an unparalleled global learning experience without interrupting their careers. The program is taught via six formal residential sessions, each of two weeks duration held every three months during the 15-month period. Because of this structure, participants can fly in for the sessions from anywhere in the world, commit full-time for two weeks and then return to their jobs with richer perspectives and immediately can apply what they have learned. We have been able to build a uniquely global program, with 50% of our participants flying in for segments from other continents (not countries!).

The class is amazingly diverse not only by nationality, culture, and industry and functional background, but importantly, participants are currently both working and living in very different parts of the globe. You have participants in our class who currently work and live in India, China, Japan, South-East Asia, the Middle East, Europe, and last but not least, the Americas. They bring their rich backgrounds and distinctive business environments together with their unique set of skills, knowledge and perspectives into the classroom. With such diversity, the program provides an unsurpassed forum for peer-to-peer learning, sharing of experiences and profoundly in-depth discussion of the most pressing business issues. I came back from our EMBA session in Shanghai in November rightly after Lehman Brothers went under. I was so deeply impressed to hear the perspectives on the current crisis from bankers, consultants, industrialists, and so forth from four different continents! The perspectives varied so much from what we read, heard and believed in Asia - already then, I could see that people in Asia completely underestimated the crisis that had been hitting us. To me, that was an eye opener and showed the real value of bringing senior people together who currently live in very different parts of the world. You can read more about the program at www.ucla.nus.edu.

The interview was conducted by
Ivaturi Murali krishna
Research Associate,
Effective Executive
IUP Publications

Reference # 03M-2011-05-06-06.